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| 2012-02-12 12:45 #253366 | |
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/gold/9074670/Warren-Buffett-gold-has-no-value.html
jei propaganda domina, arba kaip sakoma 'dont cry for me India' (Madonna remix Esu Rolandas Talocka. O tu . Po tiek metų Nicko gyvavimo. Ar gali iskonvertuoti savo nicką į pavardę. Ne ? Matyt kažką darai gyvenime ne taip.
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2012-02-12 13:04 #253367 |
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kiekvienam savo kelias.
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| 2012-02-12 13:06 #253368 | |
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markus, taip pamasciau, nu gerai, perkat jus fizini auksa-sidabra.. Bet juk tikslas tai pirkt tam, kad kazkada parduot brangiau. Kada pagal jus ateis laikas auksa su sidabru isparduot? Juk amzinai laikyt neplanuojat? Yra kazkokie tikslai (TP) ?
Kiek % savo kapitalo skiriat siem metalam? Ta prasme, kokia dali portfelio sudaro brangieji metalai? Ar "all in" einat? |
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| 2012-02-12 13:30 #253370 | |
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Negalima. Niekas taip aukso neperka kaip perka retailas. Nei sidabro, nei aukso. Jei turimas fizizinis, jis paleidziamas per ateities sandoriu rinka paverciamas popieriniu. Koks cia fintas? palukanos! dar megsta uzkabint hedzinimo etikete. Bet tai ne chedzinimas.
Jei galima sau leisti dideli kieki fizinio laikyti (kiekis nuo 1 popierio ateities sandorio kiekio) , tada ideali investicija su fjuceriu pardavimais fiziniam kiekiui. Aisku, cia tik schema . Skaiciu askonkreciu nedaviau markus atveju tikejimas turbut isvirs i gerove anukams Esu Rolandas Talocka. O tu . Po tiek metų Nicko gyvavimo. Ar gali iskonvertuoti savo nicką į pavardę. Ne ? Matyt kažką darai gyvenime ne taip.
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2012-02-12 14:13 #253374 |
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“You have to choose between trusting the natural stability of Gold and the honesty and intelligence of members of the government. With due respect for these gentlemen, I advise you, as long as the capitalist system lasts, to vote for Gold,”
George Bernard Shaw, 1928. We are talking classic fashion like about 5000 years. Michael Lewis said it best in Liar's Poker: "Those who tell don't know, and those who know don't tell." Silver 'works' because it is the best electrical and thermal conductor of all materials at room temperature (save for a few hideously expensive exotics), and is also a wonder anti-viral and anti-biotic. I'll swap you your silver for shiny baubles from Lidl any day. Gold has no inherent value, neither does paper money. When you continually increase the supply of paper money by printing you devalue its purchasing power and people look for an alternative way to store wealth. Gold cannot be printed at whim, Gold is money that cannot be devalued by the FED or ECB deciding to create another 500 Billion out of thin air. The attacks on Gold are designed to keep its price down and keep people in Fiat money, terrified that people will see that the king has no clothes. Of course Buffet is going to pull gold to pieces because the higher it goes it makes his investments less valuable,he will not accept that currencies are losing their value by the day thanks to politicians,he is also a leftie. In normal times he is correct, but if you live in a country where your house has been bombed and the financial system around you has collapsed then gold represents liberty and freedom. It is physical and represents the obligation of no person. Of course it has market risk, but that is only because our future debts and payments are unfortunately denominated in fiat currency. Also, if gold had no value then why is it that currency used to be backed by it. Was this just an anomaly of history, or perhaps our current financial problems and debt is a result of the gold standard being removed. An old man such as Warren Buffett should have the wisdom to appreciate that gold, as well as other assets, has value and is a unique protection for investors. Soros said the same thing, then he bought up gold like a kid in a candy store after his comments made the price drop. They are laughing at us folks! Gold and silver are our only protection against these one world currency promoting scumbags Paper money always returns to its intrinsic value- Zero. Voltaire |
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2012-02-12 19:38 #253431 |
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TALO [2012-02-12 13:30]: Negalima. Niekas taip aukso neperka kaip perka retailas. Nei sidabro, nei aukso. Jei turimas fizizinis, jis paleidziamas per ateities sandoriu rinka paverciamas popieriniu. Koks cia fintas? palukanos! dar megsta uzkabint hedzinimo etikete. Bet tai ne chedzinimas. Jei galima sau leisti dideli kieki fizinio laikyti (kiekis nuo 1 popierio ateities sandorio kiekio) , tada ideali investicija su fjuceriu pardavimais fiziniam kiekiui. Aisku, cia tik schema . Skaiciu askonkreciu nedaviau markus atveju tikejimas turbut isvirs i gerove anukams anukams irgi savas kelias.nesiskundziu gyvenimu ir dabar.O tikiu tik i Jezu Kristu. |
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2012-02-12 19:54 #253438 |
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skaitykit ka Parshiukas parase atidziai, jei nesupratot skaitykit tol kol suprasit,daugiau nelabai ka galiu patarti.As gi sakau,kiekvienam savas kelias,jei tu matai kad tavo zemiska ramybe uztikrins skaluniniu duju gavybos kompanijos,perki ju akciju,arba tas sintetinis facebookas arba kapustus kaime pas babike augini,dar viskas globalu,kur pasisuksi visur veiklos yra.
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2012-02-12 19:58 #253440 |
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Parshiuk yra tokia knyga ''Ekonomikos smogiko ispazintis'', parase John Perkins,rekomenduoju paskaityti, 2011 m . leidimo. Dar skaitau.
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| 2012-02-12 20:11 #253441 | |
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Parshiukas [2012-02-12 14:13]: “You have to choose between trusting the natural stability of Gold and the honesty and intelligence of members of the government. With due respect for these gentlemen, I advise you, as long as the capitalist system lasts, to vote for Gold,” George Bernard Shaw, 1928. We are talking classic fashion like about 5000 years. Michael Lewis said it best in Liar's Poker: "Those who tell don't know, and those who know don't tell." Silver 'works' because it is the best electrical and thermal conductor of all materials at room temperature (save for a few hideously expensive exotics), and is also a wonder anti-viral and anti-biotic. I'll swap you your silver for shiny baubles from Lidl any day. Gold has no inherent value, neither does paper money. When you continually increase the supply of paper money by printing you devalue its purchasing power and people look for an alternative way to store wealth. Gold cannot be printed at whim, Gold is money that cannot be devalued by the FED or ECB deciding to create another 500 Billion out of thin air. The attacks on Gold are designed to keep its price down and keep people in Fiat money, terrified that people will see that the king has no clothes. Of course Buffet is going to pull gold to pieces because the higher it goes it makes his investments less valuable,he will not accept that currencies are losing their value by the day thanks to politicians,he is also a leftie. In normal times he is correct, but if you live in a country where your house has been bombed and the financial system around you has collapsed then gold represents liberty and freedom. It is physical and represents the obligation of no person. Of course it has market risk, but that is only because our future debts and payments are unfortunately denominated in fiat currency. Also, if gold had no value then why is it that currency used to be backed by it. Was this just an anomaly of history, or perhaps our current financial problems and debt is a result of the gold standard being removed. An old man such as Warren Buffett should have the wisdom to appreciate that gold, as well as other assets, has value and is a unique protection for investors. Soros said the same thing, then he bought up gold like a kid in a candy store after his comments made the price drop. They are laughing at us folks! Gold and silver are our only protection against these one world currency promoting scumbags Paper money always returns to its intrinsic value- Zero. Voltaire is kur ta seniena ir nesamone paemei? Tos pacios blevyzgos... |
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2012-02-12 20:16 #253442
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As labai atidziai skaitau. Ir perskaitau zodzius zmogaus , kuris isilylejes savo aukseli, sidabreli, ir neuzmega jo nepaglostes (cia ne apie parsiuka), apie ta kas parase perpostinta raidziu maigalyne angliskai. Tai pozicijos meile, arba kaip traders sako kliedesys. Money funcija yra ne tik kiek prispausdinama, bet ir kiek dideja zmonius skaicius pradziai - atradimas? Stai kodel fundamentiskai negalima taikyti tiesiogines koreliacijos pinigu mase (m2) max m3) < or =real asset (if gold) price. tai standartine pradzia. Nes tokiu atveju 1743/43(FED out gold reserve old price 43)=40.46, kas reikstu new money baze dimension =old (gold price 43)x43 , susiskaiciuokit patys, tai nera lygu siandieninei. Kas yra burbulas ? Vizualiai tai kas sprogsta. Apibreziant ekonomiskai, bet suprantamai ir blynus kepanciai namu seimininkei : laikina rinkos disfunkcija, kurios metu del sukurtu aplinkybiu netenkinanciu ekonominiu salygu (aksiomu) sukuriamas perteklinis pinigu srautas i konkretu aktyva.
Kolega tavo palyginimas del bulviu auginimo ar kopustu , jis labai savalaikis. Bet pradziai apie spekuliavimo esme. Visi be issimties, tiek tamsta tiek as, bandome aplenkti laiko funkcija. Kitaip tariant bandom laike sukurti standartini statistini nuokrypi nuo visuotinai priimto pajamingumo. Esminis klausimas ilgalaikiame investavime - ar vidutinio standartinio zmogaus gyvenimo ciklo uzteks to vaisiams nuraskyti, ar tuo megausis jau anukai (tai is principo Morganu, Rockfeleriu ir Vatikano mastymo doktrinos). Dabar turetu nuaideti garsus plojimai sau , ir pasakyti - ooo, ir as toks. Plojimai. Deja tiek Morganai, tiek Rokfeleriai sios doktrinos isikando nuo antros kartos , ne kad uzdirbti, o kad neprarasti ir siek tiek dauginti. Pirmieji buvo pakankami aferistai kad sukaupti. Tam reikia paaukoti siandiena. Taigi, auksas siandien. Man testi toliau? Esu Rolandas Talocka. O tu . Po tiek metų Nicko gyvavimo. Ar gali iskonvertuoti savo nicką į pavardę. Ne ? Matyt kažką darai gyvenime ne taip.
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2012-02-12 20:23 #253443 |
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markus [2012-02-12 19:58]: Parshiuk yra tokia knyga ''Ekonomikos smogiko ispazintis'', parase John Perkins,rekomenduoju paskaityti, 2011 m . leidimo. Dar skaitau. Užteko apie 10 jo interviu paklausyti. Šiaip slidus tipelis, bet šiek tiek pasaulio parodė kaip vyksta ,, teisingas'' kapitalizmas. TALO, dabar pinigai kaupiami labai greitai. Netgi rinkose. Sunkiau kaip visada išsaugoti ir nepragerti. Saugoti turtą savo kartoms galima, bet ar verta? Prasinarkošins iš dyko buvimo. Geriau meškerę perduoti kaip Nataraj sakė. Mokėjimas užsukti verslus, mokėjimas pardavinėti ir mokėjimas spekuliuoti. |
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| 2012-02-12 20:25 #253445 | |
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Talo
Įdomus požiūris, pratęsk mintį. |
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| 2012-02-12 20:32 #253447 | |
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Parsiuk tavo teisingumas statinis si karta. Dinaminis teisingumas butu toks - uzsedus ant adatos veliau atsistos prie konteineriu arba neatsistos isvis. Kas blogiau
Pratesiu ryt, dabar jau kiti dalykai galvoje Esu Rolandas Talocka. O tu . Po tiek metų Nicko gyvavimo. Ar gali iskonvertuoti savo nicką į pavardę. Ne ? Matyt kažką darai gyvenime ne taip.
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2012-02-13 08:31 #253506 |
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talo,mano atveju kalba eina apie kapitalo apsaugojima,nei tu zinai kas bus po 30 metu ,nei as.Tikslas nera uzsidirbti is aukso.Kazkaip istorijoje neuztikau kad auksas kam butu nasta,dabar ji zaliava tipo paskutinius desimtmecius,iki to laiko gi pats zinai,buvo pinigai tikraja prasme,tai kur cia beda.Gerai cia paminejai,jei auksas tau jau vaidenasi,ir tu neuzmiegi kaip tas Golumas savo brangenybe apsikabines,beda tikra tada gaunasi.
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| 2012-02-13 08:53 #253510 | |
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Talo, asmeniskai pats uz kiek ivertintum gryno aukso kaina?
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| 2012-02-13 09:22 #253515 | |
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1089-1230 USD/OZ.-fair
822-930 USD/OZ lower band Esu Rolandas Talocka. O tu . Po tiek metų Nicko gyvavimo. Ar gali iskonvertuoti savo nicką į pavardę. Ne ? Matyt kažką darai gyvenime ne taip.
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2012-02-13 14:14 #253574
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Talo gal ir teisus kainoje, bet situacija dabar traukia vasarą iki 2200...
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| 2012-02-13 14:19 #253576 | |
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Isaugo karta kuri tik zino viena klavisa -buy. Aisku, ji noretu kad butu pigiau, jaucia kad noretu, bet kitaip negali - licimerija tai. Parsiuk, as asmeniskai noreciau kad tas 2200 issipildytu ir puse Indijos man kas diena neverktu i maila stovejama nuo 1900 ar 1800 i virsu (BUY karta), sakykim esu gerietis. Bet as gi zinau kaip bus.
Tai linkiu sekmes su 2200, tikrai paspausiu ranka jei gausi.... Nespesiu siandien pratesti spekuliacines filosofijos, per daug darbu. Keliu dienu begyje ta padarysiu, jei rinka nespes to dar padaryti uz mane. Esu Rolandas Talocka. O tu . Po tiek metų Nicko gyvavimo. Ar gali iskonvertuoti savo nicką į pavardę. Ne ? Matyt kažką darai gyvenime ne taip.
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2012-02-13 14:22 #253577 |
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Gausiu blin.
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